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Info-Hams Digest            Mon, 15 Aug 94       Volume 94 : Issue  920

Today's Topics:
                     2m/11m crossband QSO: legal?
                       Buffalo callsign server
                  Commercial Radio Telegraph License
                          DELAWARE REPEATERS
                                Freqs
                   Have You Ever Noticed? (2 msgs)
                          I Passed the Test!
                      Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #171
                         Repeater Directory?
                             TEST KB7ZPO

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 08:09:59 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!wariat.org!malgudi.oar.net!witch!ted![e-mail]
Subject: 2m/11m crossband QSO: legal?
To: [e-mail]


In article <32l7kv$[e-mail]>, Charles A Daley ([e-mail]) writes:
>Michael Silva ([e-mail]) wrote:
>:
>: In article <[e-mail]>, Bruce James Robert Linley ([e-mail]) writes:
>: >I have a rather odd question to ask. When me and my dad go camping, we
>: >use CBs to communicate (my dad is not a ham)- one in the truck and a
>: >handheld. The problem is that the handheld just can't get a good signal
>: >out in certain areas due to it's inherently small antenna. I can hear
>: >the truck's CB just fine on the handheld anywhere in the camping area.
>: >Would it be possible for me to talk to my dad through a local 2m
>: >repeater (he could receive me on a scanner), and my dad to communicate
>: >back on the CB? Is either communication considered a "one-way" trans-
>: >mission? I've already talked to the 2m repeater owner and he has no
>: >objections to this particular use of his repeater. Any Part97/Part95
>: >prohibitions to cross-service QSOs? Thanks.
>: >
>: Sorry, can't be done.  Look at Part 97.111, and you'll see that you can
>: only communicate with other amateurs (except for emergency
>: communications).  The repeater owner, by consenting to this use of his
>: repeater, is putting his license on the line.  Go back and educate him.
>
>Just for the sake of discussion, how is this vastly different from
>calling someone on an autopatch?
>
First note that the language of 97.111 actually speaks of "amateur
stations", not "amateurs".  The way it's been explained to me is that
this is considered a communication between the amateur station
autopatching and the repeater, controlled by the control op, who is
allowing third party traffic over "his" station via the autopatch. I've
heard that some repeaters turn off their autopatch late at night when
all the control ops are in bed to stick more closely to the letter of
the law (and to prevent mischief in general).

I'm sure others will have more to add to my answer.

Mike, KK6GM


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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 14:05:56 GMT
From: nntp.ucsb.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Buffalo callsign server
To: [e-mail]

Is the callsign server at:    callsign.cs.buffalo.edu 2000
gone?
I tried to access it and  got the following message:

ioctl reply FAILED
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host:   (stuff)
: Non-assigned number

Shel  WA2UBK

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 23:57:50 GMT
From: world![e-mail]
Subject: Commercial Radio Telegraph License
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:
: This thread got me wondering.  (I know this isn't amateur radio, but
: I'm curious.)

: What is required for the Commercial Telegraph licenses?  What is the
: difference between second and first class?  (Is there a third class?)
: If I wanted to try this, what would I--as an Amateur Extra--have to do?

: Thanks in advance for any information that may quench my curiousity.

The only difference between T-1 and T-2 is that only a T-1 can be the
*Chief* Radio Officer on a passenger vessel that must have a telegraph
station.  T-1 requires the same written tests T-2 does, plus a harder
code test (25 wpm plain and 20 wpm groups, one minute perfect out of
five to pass; versus 20 plain/16 groups for T-2 and T-3).  T-1 also
requires a year's experience as a commercial radiotelegraph operator,
so there's no hurry on that code test!

If you have your Extra license in hand, you are given credit for the
code tests needed for the T-2/T-3.  (If you got a handicapped exemption,
you must tell the FCC when you apply, and you get a license with a
restrictive endorsement.)  You also have to pass or receive credit for
the following written exams:

Element 1, Basic Law
Element 5, Basic Telegraph Practice
Element 6, Advanced Telegraph Practice and Radio Theory

You *don't* have to pass Element 3 - Radio Theory, which with Element
1 is required for a GROL (General Radiotelephone Operator's License).
If you have a T-2 (or T-1), you can do anything someone with a GROL,
or T-3, or MROP (Marine Radiotelephone Operator's Permit), or RP
(Restricted Radiotelephone Operator's Permit) can do.  The joker is
that the GROL is a lifetime license and because of a legal
technicality still carries no fee (well, not this week, anyway) other
than the exam fee.  The telegraph licenses, on the other hand, are
good for 5 years and require the $35 FCC fee plus any exam fee to get
the first time, and I believe it's currently a total of $80 to renew
them.  And, of course, if you plan to get the new GMDSS Maintainer
license, you'll have to take Element 3 anyway, in addition to Element
9, since Element 6 doesn't count toward that license.

*For telegraph licenses only* you also need two passport-sized pictures
of your handsome self, and a white envelope to put them in so they
don't get lost.

You can't hold a T-2 and any of T-3, MROP, or Restricted Permit at the
same time.  You'll have to cough it up for cancellation.  You can keep
your GROL, though.

There is a T-3 (Third class, of course), but since it doesn't require
theory, about all you can do is send and receive code at a Coast
station.  Requirements are same as T-2 but not element 6, just 1 and
5.

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For anyone who'll be in the Boston area, there'll be a Commercial Exam
in Cambridge at MIT on Saturday, September 10th at 10 am.  We'll offer
every element we have exams for, including elements 1, 3, 7, and 9,
now plus element 8 for radar endoresement and, *IF* the examination
papers arrive in time, 5 and 6 for telegraph, though please understand
that that last can't be guaranteed yet.  The fee is $35 per *license*
you take exams for (not per element!).  For more information, drop me
email.

-drt

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|David R. Tucker     KG2S         8P9CL            [e-mail]|
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Date: 15 Aug 94 13:47:00 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: DELAWARE REPEATERS
To: [e-mail]

TO THE PERSON REQUESTING INFORMATION ABOUT DELAWARE REPEATERS IN SUSSEX
COUNTY. Try 147.075
147.015 OCEAN CITY
I BELEIVE THERE IS A NEW MACHINE ON 146,330
[D
I HAVE HEARD IT ID BUT HAVE NOT MADE A QSO YET

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Date: 14 Aug 94 18:41:04 CDT
From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!uwrf.edu!enterprise![e-mail]
Subject: Freqs
To: [e-mail]

Could anyone give me a list of the sattelite freqs coming down, just
to monitor on my 2M radio?  Is there anything I can hear with a duckie
or a 1/4, or 5/8 wave?

Thanks N9XYX

--

[e-mail]
WRFW 88.7 FM
306 North Hall
University of Wisconsin - River Falls
River Falls, WI 54022
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Office # 715-425-3887

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Date: 15 Aug 94 10:51:57 -0500
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell!ulowell!aspen.uml.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Have You Ever Noticed?
To: [e-mail]

No offense to the old timers out there but have you ever noticed how often
they key up on top of each other during a QSO?  I do a lot of listening on the
HF bands and I find the QSOs of most old timers very informative and very
interesting.  It drives me up the wall, however, when Joe keys up on top of
Fred before Fred has unkeyed his mic.  Now they're talking to themselves
because both are keyed up at the same time.

I run across this at least two or three times a day.  Those experienced rag-
chewers key up their mics so long that they are required by Part 97 to
identify at least three times before unkeying.  A pause longer than three
seconds is taken as a sign the other has unkeyed and, click, two simultaneous
one-way transmissions ensue.

I really believe this is one place a "roger" beep would be practical.  I'd
rather hear that then to hear two stations talking as if they were in full
duplex operation.

Comments anyone?

If you are an old timer and engage in actual "ragchew" please don't be offended
by this post.  It's just an observation.  It might even get you to pause a
little between turnovers -- just in case someone wants to break in.  Or is
this just your way of keeping the frequency from being stolen by the new
breed of rude ham?  Just curious...

73 de WK1V                     | I speak for no one.         |
  -jim-                        | Nor myself for that matter! |

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Date: 15 Aug 1994 16:10:15 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!dancer.ca.sandia.gov!cronkite.nersc.gov!osi-east2.es.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech![e-mail]
Subject: Have You Ever Noticed?
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] wrote:
: No offense to the old timers out there but have you ever noticed how often
: they key up on top of each other during a QSO?  I do a lot of listening on the
[snip]

: I run across this at least two or three times a day.  Those experienced rag-
: chewers key up their mics so long that they are required by Part 97 to
: identify at least three times before unkeying.  A pause longer than three
: seconds is taken as a sign the other has unkeyed and, click, two simultaneous
: one-way transmissions ensue.

Do you know what a D-104 "lollypop" is?  They've got this little metal
ring that you can run up the mic to keep the PTT switch locked in TX.

It is routinely called, "The 75M death grip."

=paul=  wbz8jl

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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 07:12:37 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: I Passed the Test!
To: [e-mail]

I just wanted to tell everyone that on Saturday I passed my tests for a
Technician No-Code license.  Now comes the waiting.  How long is the
average wait time now?  I heard 17 weeks and 13 weeks.  Anyone hear any
more optimistic times? :)

Mike, No callsign yet, but 2 days and waiting. :) :)

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Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 16:56:00 MDT
From: lll-winken.llnl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs![e-mail]
Subject: Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin #171
To: [e-mail]

SB DX @ ALLBBS $OPDX.171
Ohio/Penn DX Bulletin No. 171

The Ohio/Penn Dx PacketCluster
DX Bulletin No. 171
BID: $OPDX.171
August 15, 1994
Editor Tedd Mirgliotta, KB8NW
Provided by BARF-80 BBS Cleveland, Ohio
Online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 8/N/1

Thanks to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio Society, Northern Ohio DX
Association, Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, DF4RD, DL7VEE & DX NEWS
Letter, KD1F, K4CEF & Southeastern Cluster Group, W4DW, SM0CNS & SM0TXT of
the DX-Loggen and VP2ML & The DX Bulletin for the following DX information.

3A, MONACO AND 4U1ITU. Luciano, I1YRL, plans to be active from 3A and
4U1ITU from mid August until November.  There are no other details
available at this time,other than he works mostly CW. ADDED NOTE: Also
W5ZPA has announced he will become active from Monaco starting August 16.

3D2, FIJI ISLANDS. I4ALU is on the air from Fiji using 3D2CA from August
10-23. He will also be active from two different IOTA's. By the time you
read this, he will have finished his activity from Vitu-Levu Island
(OC-016) from August 10-14th. I4ALU will then be active from August
15-23th from Torkoriki Island (OC-121). After that he will go to KH6,
August 24-26th. QSL via I4ALU.

3D2, ROTUMA. Ruvendra, 3D2RP, was heard active on 20 meters SSB this
past weekend on 14211 kHz at 0345z.

3D2 CONWAY REEF. There was a report (but this has not yet been confirmed)
that Raj, 3D2ER, was reportedly active from here the past several days on
or around 14028 kHz between 0330 and 0430z.

3V, TUNISIA. The DXNL reports that Ron, AA5DX, will be in Tunisia around
mid August. No details on how long he will be there or if he is going to
try to operate. KYFC!!

5R, MADAGASCAR. Karl, 5R8KH, was heard this past weekend on 21295 kHz
around 1700z. QSL via WB8LFO.

9X, RWANDA. VE3MJQ will be in Kigali for six months starting on August
15th. He expects to receive a callsign and will operate mostly on SSB.
QSL via VE2PR. Also, a reminder that Alex, PA3DZN, will go to Kigali on
an order from the UN and hopes to be active as soon as possible.

A5, BHUTAN. Jim Smith, VK9NS, was heard earlier in the week on the air
discussing the possibility of returning to A5-land. Jim has been working
with the Ministry of Communications for quite sometime now in hopes to
return and activate this most wanted country. Jim was heard mentioning that
once he gets the word to operate, he can be in A5-land in 48 hours because
all the equipemnt is already there.

IOTA ISLANDS. By the time you read  this Martin, G3ZAY/NU2L, and Tom,
WT2O, will be done activating a new IOTA from Hopewell Islands (now
NA-195) in the Hudson Bay Quebec Coast North Group during August 13-14th.
They will also be active from Belcher Islands (NEW IOTA) from August
15-18th. There may be a short visit (few hours) to King George Islands
(IOTA NA-159) on the 16th or 17th. QSL WT2O/VE8 via WT2O and NU2L/VE8
via G3ZAY.

OS, BELGIUM. The DXNL reports that a special prefix of OS may be used by
Belgium stations from September 1 until December 31, 1994. No details
were given why. OPDX will try to find out.

S61, SINGAPORE. Some stations in 9V1-land will be using S61 prefix now
until September 12th to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the Singapore
Amateur Radio League.

TA, TURKEY. Bob, TA1/K4UEE, has been active for several days, emphasizing
CW on 40 and 20 meters with some 20 meter SSB.  He put out the word on
August 10th that he would be active on 160 meters at 0100, 0200, and
0300z on 1827 khz listening up the band. No further information was given
as to his length of stay in Turkey and if he may try again.

TU, IVORY COAST (also 9L and EL). Jay K4ZLE, will be active from TU-land,
August 18-20th and again August 26-30th. He has requested a callsign, but
nothing as been used as of yet. Activity will be mostly on CW all bands
80-10 meters. From August 20-23th, Jay will be active in Sierra Leone and
from August 23-26th, he will be in Liberia as EL2LE. QSL to CBA.

NO OPDX BULLETIN NEXT WEEK (AUGUST 22th)! But please keep sending your
information to the following addresses below....... TNX de Tedd KB8NW

FAX YOUR DX INFORMATION NOW! Faxing is available Monday/Wednesday/Friday
from 0430 to 2330z only. The number is 216-237-8208 and the FAX card is
sharing the same phone line as BARF-80 BBS using a data/fax/phone switch.

Excerpts and distribution of The OPDX Bulletin are granted as long as
KB8NW/OPDX/BARF80 receive credit. To contribute DX info, call BARF-80 BBS
online at 216-237-8208 14400/9600/2400/1200/300 and leave a message with
the Sysop or send InterNet Mail to: [e-mail] or send
BitNet Mail to: aq474%cleveland.freenet@cunyvm or send PRODIGY Mail to:
DFJH48A or send a message via packet to KB8NW @ WA8BXN.OH.USA.NA

/EX

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Tedd Mirgliotta  KB8NW
InterNet: [e-mail]
Basic Amateur Radio Frequency BBS (BARF-80) +1 216/237-8208
"Totally devoted to Amateur Radio" - 24 Hrs a day 8/N/1 14.4k-300 baud

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Date: 15 Aug 1994 16:16:05 GMT
From: murky.apple.com!trib.apple.com!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!moe![e-mail]
Subject: Repeater Directory?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Conway Yee) writes:
>>Is there a telnet site, or a text file that has the entire contents of
>>the ARRL repeater directory?
>
>As a public service to the amateur community, I and several people on
>the net tried to create an online repeater directory.  This online
>directory used the ARRL directory as one of the sources.  The ARRL
>sent me a letter "recommending" that I refrain from using their
>directory.

Didn't this issue get settled a little while ago ? I think that case dealt
with telephone directories. Someone published a telephone directory that
used a telephone company directory as it's data source. The phone company
said that their directory was a copyrited listing. The courts said that if
it was just a list then it couldn't be protected. I would think that the
same thing applies to the ARRL directory. After all, it's just a list,
except for the info in the front of the book.

The phone company used to put dummy entries, names and numbers that didn't
exist in real life, in the telephone directory. That way they could look
at a competitors directory and easily see of they copied the data. Is the
ARRL doing the same thing with the latest repeater directory? There are
a number of ommissions from the previous edition and a lot of errors have
crept in. Look in the South Bend, Indiana 2 meter listing and see the
repeaters whose input frequency is the same as the output!

I say go for it. What's wrong with the freq coordinators sending you
a copy of their info when they send it off the the ARRL every year?

Should this discussion be moved to .policy?

Rick Nimtz N9TJG
South Bend, Indiana
[e-mail]


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Date: 12 Aug 1994 10:18:12 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier![e-mail]
Subject: TEST KB7ZPO
To: [e-mail]

This is a test to see if WinVn is config right. Thanks

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Date: Tue, 16 Aug 1994 00:30:30 GMT
From: world![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <32as26$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <32ov9d$[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Crossband repeating rigs & auto IDers

Joe B. Simpson ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I thought the control operator of any station had to have the means to
: immediately shut down the transmitter.  Time-out features aren't the same
: thing.

The only thing I see that's even close is that a station under
telecommand must have something to limit transmission to no more than
3 minutes in the event the control link malfunctions.  I'm open to
correction, though.

-drt

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|David R. Tucker     KG2S         8P9CL            [e-mail]|
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Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 23:09:46 GMT
From: world![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <32966a$[e-mail]>, <32as26$[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: Crossband repeating rigs & auto IDers

Joe B. Simpson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <32966a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken A. Nishimura) writes:
: >
: >Is this a real problem?  Not, unless you are gonna split hairs about
: >rules.  But it IS illegal.  The bigger problem with X-band are the
: >bozos out there that don't know how to pick the right frequencies.
: >The example given above is somewhat risky, since you are xbanding
: >onto a repeater input.

: Not to mention that technically your mobile crossband repeater must be
: remotely controllable so you can disable its transmit at any time...

Why, if both repeaters and auxiliary stations can be automatically
controlled, do you need remote control?  Use a time-out timer and
you're ok.

-drt

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|David R. Tucker     KG2S         8P9CL            [e-mail]|
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Date: 14 Aug 94 23:10:17 -0800
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!vax.sonoma.edu![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <32l7kv$[e-mail]>binger
Subject : Re: 2m/11m crossband QSO: legal?

In article <32l7kv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Charles A Daley) writes:
> Just for the sake of discussion, how is this vastly different from
> calling someone on an autopatch?

Technicality.  The autopatch involves 2 licensed amateur stations...  you and
the repeater.

Ken
--
     ____________________________________________________________________
     | Ken Harrison        |         I once thought I was wrong...      |
     | N6MHG               |                                            |
     | [e-mail] |              ...but I was mistaken.        |
     ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 07:28:07 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>ah48d
Subject : Re: ARLB066 FCC garners award

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (C. C. Wynn) wrote:


> Won't the users of services provided using these frequencies have to pay off
> this 600 million dollar loan with interest in the form of hidden user fee
> taxes when the cost is passed down, sort of a "trickle up" monetary policy.

Do you think anybody besides us _ever_ pays for the government?  They tax
us directly and they look bad, so they don't get re-elected.  So they tax
us indirectly, they look great, the total cost to us is greater, and...same
s--t, different day.

--
John Taylor    (W3ZID)     |  "The opinions expressed are those of the
[e-mail] |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."

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Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 07:39:57 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!rohvm1![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <32bm8a$[e-mail]>, <32bot3$[e-mail].e│ⁿ
Subject : Re: Which code learning method? Why?

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (chuck
adams) wrote:

> If Farnsworth is all you can do, then you'll really have a tough
> time on the air.

Not sure I understand that.  Object of Farnsworth is to learn the sound of
the characters at a useful speed.  When you're proficient with the sounds,
it's easy to shrink the space between them until you've got standard
spacing.  It's just a  tool in the learning process.  If you know the
character sounds, you can copy the characters on the air, from the
computer, or from the exam tape.

--
John Taylor    (W3ZID)     |  "The opinions expressed are those of the
[e-mail] |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."

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